A Mary Sue No Longer: Comparing Rey and Luke as ‘Star Wars’ Heroes

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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away we met Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill). A young man raised on a farm who soon becomes the saviour of the galaxy. Boys everywhere looked up to him, and they still do. Over 30 years later we follow a similar story with Rey (Daisy Ridley), a young woman who rises up from nothing to become a hero. Despite this, men struggle to view her in the same heroic light as Luke.

I’ll always remember being sixteen and seeing The Force Awakens in the cinema for the first time. I felt emotional at the sight of Rey. Finally, having a woman as the galaxy’s saviour. She was and still is very important to me. Growing up I didn’t have many truly heroic women to look up to in film. I spent my time watching things like Charlie’s Angels; although badass, it was still created for the male gaze. Even in Star Wars there was Leia (Carrie Fisher), who had heroic moments, but she was still ultimately the damsel in distress. Something was missing.

Then Rey came along, and altered everything. She proved that women can lead big blockbusters just as effectively as men and that women are heroes too. With fans nicknaming her a ‘Mary Sue’, it’s clear some people struggle to accept a woman as the face of a franchise that has always had men at the forefront.

The major criticism of Rey as the hero is that fans know her as a ‘Mary Sue’. Meaning she’s a character with strength and power that isn’t justified. A ‘Mary Sue’ by definition is a character who possesses no major flaws. Lacking in realism, they are characters who are virtually flawless therefore never suffer. Her character is claimed to be unrealistic in a world of wizard samurais in space. They believe she was solely constructed as a semblance of girl power and feminist agendas. As if it were difficult to believe there could be a female lead without it being an agenda or threat to men. They claim she doesn’t have the proper training to succeed in flying or fighting despite Luke also having virtually less training than Rey. Yet one is deemed an acceptable hero and the other is a ‘Mary Sue’.

Luke as a ‘Gary Stu’
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Now if we follow the same rules applied to Rey, we end up with Luke who can be considered a ‘Gary Stu’, the male counterpart to ‘Mary Sue’. When we first meet Luke in A New Hope, he’s a mere farm boy with big dreams of becoming a pilot and joining the academy. He lives a fairly sheltered life for a Tatooine resident. He has a guardian looking out for him, rescuing him from any peril. Suddenly he is thrust into the hero role, but doesn’t have much difficulty adapting to his new purpose.

In A New Hope, Luke is surrounded by Tuskan Raiders, who knock him out, almost killing him. Obi-Wan (Alec Guinness) then saves Luke from his peril, scaring the raiders away. Showing Luke doesn’t have the combat experience or training to save himself. Yet when he and Han (Harrison Ford) go on a rescue mission to save Leia from the Death Star, he’s able to outlast attacks from Stormtroopers; who have spent years in combat training. The rescue was a success that wouldn’t have occurred if the franchise had the ‘realism,’ fans claim it to have.

With Leia’s rescue complete, Luke decides to enlist in the rebellion as a pilot; a role he isn’t qualified to do yet. He has basic pilot training. He mentions using womp rats as target practice, but it’s hardly a good substitute for the trained pilots he’ll be fighting. With no real training Luke still enters a dangerous space battle and somehow fares better than his enemies and rebellion allies. Ultimately helping destroy the Death Star and save the day.

In The Empire Strikes Back Luke spends a small amount of time training with his master, Yoda (Frank Oz). He then leaves Yoda to rescue Han and Leia, not finishing his training. Towards the end of the film, Luke has to face down Vader (David Prowse) in a lightsaber battle. Luke barely has any experience with lightsaber combat at this point, and he now has to face, undoubtedly one of the most dangerous men in the galaxy. Somehow he manages to keep up with Vader in this conflict, although it ends up with him losing an arm and almost dying. He still puts up a fight for longer than he should.

Rey as the Hero
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Now we take a look at Rey, who takes a similar journey as Luke once did. When we first meet Rey in The Force Awakens, she’s scavenging for parts. We immediately learn she lives alone on the remote backwater planet Jakku. Being alone on a dangerous planet warrants her being capable of defending herself. Meaning Rey would know how to use her staff to fight enemies and be proficient at doing it.

When Rey meets Finn (John Boyega) for the first time they are placed in immediate danger, having to flee from First Order troops. Rey pilots the Millennium Falcon so she and Finn can escape. The First Order sends well-trained pilots after the Falcon to try and stop them, but Rey is able to out-pilot them with ease. Some say it’s unreasonable for Rey to be a great pilot. Despite Rey being a self-proclaimed experienced pilot to Finn. It’s these same people who don’t take issue with Luke being a great pilot in A New Hope. Later Rey then proves her knowledge of ships to Han when the Falcon fails to go to lightspeed; it’s Rey that fixes the issue to Han’s surprise. Being around ships her entire life means she’s learnt how to pilot and repair them, it’s not unrealistic that she would have flight knowledge from this experience.

At the end of The Force Awakens Rey has to face down Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), who is fully trained in the force and combat. Fans say she won this battle easily when she should’ve died. But what these fans seem to forget is that prior to his showdown with Rey, Kylo is shot with Chewbacca’s (Peter Mayhew) bowcaster. (A reminder that this is the same weapon we see kill various stormtroopers with one shot.) When injured, he then has to fight Finn, who puts up a respectable fight. After all this he then faces Rey, who struggles to keep up with him at points but ultimately wins. Although the fight would’ve been much different had he been at his full potential.

In The Last Jedi the outcries of Rey being overpowered became louder. Although in this movie she doesn’t do anything to warrant it. The film for the most part focuses on her meeting Luke and her connection to Kylo Ren. She spends about as much time training with Luke as Luke did with Yoda. She then decides to confront Snoke (Andy Serkis) before finishing her training and turn Kylo to the Lightside. Her plan fails because she isn’t ready. Snoke wants her killed and the only reason she survives is because Kylo saves her. Similar to how the only reason Luke survives his confrontation with Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) is due to Vader’s help. This doesn’t really seem like a character who is overpowered and faces no struggles. Afterwards, the only other thing we see Rey do with the force, is pull a lightsaber and move some rocks, hardly anything out of the ordinary for Star Wars.

The Hero’s Journey
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As we can see, Rey and Luke follow very similar paths. They both enter dangerous situations they shouldn’t survive but ultimately do. But they also both face many struggles in their journey. It’s ultimately unfair to label Rey as a ‘Mary Sue’ but not label Luke a ‘Gary Stu’. In reality neither of them deserve this label. So the question still remains, why do men find it so difficult to see Rey as a strong character like Luke? Is it because men aren’t ready for a woman to be the main hero? Or maybe because they simply didn’t pay attention to any of the films, new or old.

Now, even I acknowledge that both the characters of Rey and Luke are ridiculous. If their journeys were realistic ones (which they were never meant to be) we know they wouldn’t be capable of saving the galaxy. But that’s just how heroes work. It’s the classic hero’s journey. It adopts the typical conventions just as many other stories do. There’s always a hero who comes from nothing, but is able to do amazing things better than anyone around them. It’s been a common characteristic in many stories ranging from books to movies. It’s hardly a new concept. That’s what makes the Star Wars discourse so odd. The whole franchise is built around this hero’s journey. With the original trilogy, following this story exactly. Somehow there is a large part of the fandom who still believe men are the only ones capable of this journey. Despite the shift in media culture proving otherwise.

The criticism directed at female characters is never fair in comparison to the critiques of male characters; who are seemingly able to get away with anything. Rey is a character who goes through many struggles with confidence, identity, fighting, etc.. As the audience, we see her character evolve and become stronger slowly but surely. Even in The Rise of Skywalker she still possesses a lack of confidence and emotional trauma from everything she’s been through. She struggles to finish her training with Leia. She faces issues trying to control her emotions with intense outbursts of anger and sadness. To say she faces no struggles is simply ignoring her development. As for her being overly powerful, she is no more powerful than Luke, who shares a similar journey with her and a powerful force lineage. If her character were a man would the same criticisms still exist?  

I for one, am grateful to Rey for changing the Star Wars film canon forever. Pushing women from supporting roles to the forefront. Being an inspiration to young girls everywhere. I only wish I had someone like her to look up to when I was younger.

by Ashleigh Holmes

Ashleigh (she/her) is a film student and aspiring writer. She has an unhealthy obsession with Glee. She can debate Star Wars all day much to her friends dismay. Her favourite films include The Force AwakensThe Last JediClueless, and Hereditary. You can follow her on Twitter.

13 replies »

  1. I never heard of a “Mary Sue” until they started calling Rey that.

    But, Mary Sue or not, I still enjoyed the new films.


  2. All I can say is Luke was an established pilot and sharpshooter before we meet him. Him and his friend take about how he was a great pilot when they talk about beggars canyon. They also talk about shooting womprats. Luke does not fight the raiders they sneak up on him and attack.

    Luke trains himself in the basics for a few years between movies.

    In Empire Strikes Back, Vader is toying with Luke because he wants to turn him to the Dark side, it kill him. Luke does train with Yoda for an unknown amount of time. Somewhere between a few days and 6 months. He then reruns to Yoda to finish his training as promised between films.

    I love Rey as a character and I love that’s she’s a powerful force user. I don’t agree that they just allow Rey to use her power flawlessly without training. The first time she attempts to use the force she tricks a dime stormtrooper to free her. I’m almost okay with that, but she had no way of knowing she could even do that. Earlier in the file she didn’t know what the force was or that the Jedi were real. Where did she get the idea “ I’ll just mind trick ( a skill not all Jedi could use) him.” It just doesn’t sit right. I have no problem with the amount of power just that she seems to know exactly how to use all of her powers with no instruction.

    I don’t think it’s a great comparison between Luke and Rey. They are very different. One thing I will say that most won’t. Rey is a good melee fighter, and I don’t mind how well she dose fighting Kylo in The Force Awakens. She show that she has the ability to fight. I also understand why she’s so good at fixing things. When the writers took the time to show or explain why Rey could do something I was fine with it. Without context or an explanation why Rey is able to do somethings it just feels like she shouldn’t be able to.


  3. Just real quick you are forgetting that yoda trains luke for approximately 18 months rey didnt actually have any training under luke he flat out refused


  4. The reason why luke is able to drive an x wing is that it kinda acts like a speeder also the Strom troopers are ordered to not kill luke so he will bring the empire to the rebel base also he had help for Kenobi and Han.


  5. And for the showdown of Luke and Vader. Vader was toying with Luke you can see that if you look close enough also most of the fangirls who are star wars fans agree Rey is a mary sue and calling luke a mary sue is not helping Rey you’re saying luke is just as badly written like Rey which he is not.


  6. Also, nobody has been calling Luke a mary sue until after Rey is called a mary sue and before Rey was called a mary sue people were calling Luke a coward.


  7. I’ll go out on a limb and say all three main Star Wars protagonists are bad characters in one way or another, but I’ll also go out on a limb and say storytelling should improve over the years and themes should be iterated upon. The biggest issue most people seem to have with the Sequels in general is that they try too hard to just remake the original trilogy down to copying its same mistakes. In my opinion this makes their failings more egregious and less forgivable, and I consider Rey’s terrible writing as a symptom of this. Therefore I would say she is the worst of the three, but I will still concede none of them are particularly well written if standing alone.


  8. You failed to mention the fact that Rey can use the Jedi mind trick even though she doesn’t know anything about the force, can defeat Kylo who has studied the force for years during his force interrogation (He is in no way injured at this point), can force pull her lightsabre away from Kylo during the battle on star killer (granted that kylo is injured but she has at no point had training at this stage), can easily defeat Luke Skywalker (a Jedi master), and again can match Kylo when they both force pull on the Ani’s saber in last jedi (he’s not injured at this point).

    I’m guessing this was written before the RISE OF SKYWALKER. So I will add her ability in force lightning, and force heal which only Darth Plagueis and maybe Palpatine had (which they studied for years) before Disney just started handing it out to every new character they have created. She also defeated the Emperor who can almost destroy the entire resistance fleet with his force lightning with very little training.

    I believe that if there was some kind of character development to show Rey go from a novice to a powerful jedi then I could appreciate that. However from the get go Rey was just given every jedi ability under the sun. Even Luke and Ani had to train to become as powerful as they were. The Emperor also talks about how Darth Plagueis’s appreciate (him) trained for many years in the ways of the sith.

    Rey didn’t even train with Luke (besides his 3 lessons) but already had the abilities in her first movie that all of the other Jedi trained for for multiple movies. They learnt lessons from their defeats (Ani against Dooku and Luke against Vader). Unfortunately for Rey, she never had that character development due to the terrible writing and lack of plan for the sequel trilogy. As it stands a Mary Sue she is.


  9. She’s a Mary Sue, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with her being female. It’s all because of lazy writing.

    And the idea that people are upset just because she’s a woman is silly. People love strong female characters, they just don’t like terrible writing and the last 3 star wars movies were seemingly written by children.

    Nobody complained about Riplen, Alice in Resident Evil, Mulan (the original), Black Widow, Wonder Woman (the first movie, 2nd sucked because of terrible writing), Valkyrie, Furiosa, Katniss Everdeen, Sarah Connor, League of their Own, Rita Vertaski, Buffy, Sidney Prescott, Crouching Tiger, Kill Bill, Lizbeth , etc.


  10. the argument that people hate Rey because she is a girl isn’t a good argument at all, Ashoka Tano from the Clone Wars TV series is a fan favorite, but you failed to mention that


  11. “Pushing women from supporting roles to the forefront. Being an inspiration to young girls everywhere. I only wish I had someone like her to look up to when I was younger.”

    Sorry what? does the name Sarah Conner mean nothing to you? how about Ellen Ripley? there where females pushing women to the forefront way before Rey was. The thing is Rey is a Mary Sue. She has all these powers and no character development to go with them. Ani didn’t fly the ship R2D2 did, he literally says ” I’ll try spinning thats a good trick” meaning he has no idea what he is doing. Luke trained himself, and then got further training. Vader was toying with him because he wanted him to turn to the dark side. If Vader wanted to he would have killed Luke he would without a second thought. He then trains, goes back looses, trains and goes back again. He has character development. Same with Ani. Obi-Wan try to help him see that he has flaws, but with how powerful Ani is he refuses to see them.

    The fact that your profile says you ” can debate Star Wars all day much to her friends dismay.” is just sad. You are intentionally ignoring the things that prove you wrong.


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